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Post by timmyb52 on Dec 8, 2017 21:07:44 GMT -6
The unfreezing of these funds would not have been deposited in John's US bank accounts...they would have to be deposited into his bank accounts in the UK after British taxes were subtracted from the amounts due. The reason for this is because all these funds had been frozen in UK court and not US courts...also, because all of this money was made by UK companies {such as Apple,Northern Songs,etc.}
This may also be another reason why it would be important for John to go to the UK at this time...to be able to access those UK funds in his UK bank accounts and have them transferred to his US bank accounts. This would require his signature,physical approval to bank employees for verification of transfer of funds,etc. Especially when you are talking about huge amounts of money.
I could be wrong about that...but in 1975 they did not have the means as they do today when it comes to verifying huge transfers on money...and it would require John to be physically present at the UK banks to do that IMHO.
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Post by timmyb52 on Dec 10, 2017 20:36:11 GMT -6
The April 1967 Contract - Background Info
The following quotations are taken from Peter Doggett's book "You Never Give Me Your Money" -2009
"The Beatles had first become incorporated as The Beatles Ltd - in 1963. The Beatles Ltd held the group's collective earnings after NEMS {Brian Epstein} took its 25 percent. Without realizing it, the Beatles had signed away a quarter of their income from 1962-1967.
Other companies handled specific aspects of their career.
Lennon and McCartney's song writing interests were controlled by Northern Songs Ltd, their income from Northern then passed into another holding company. The less substantial money accrues from Harrison's songwriting went into Harrisongs Ltd.
Epstein formed Subafilms Ltd in early 1964 to handle the Beatles movie projects. After Lennon published two books, he was encouraged to form a seperate company to receive those book royalties. And their were similiar companies in the USA, not least Seltaeb Inc, the organization that famously signed away the Beatles rights to 90 percent of earnings from memorabilia sold in their name and likeness.
Epstein negotiated a new recording deal in January 1967 {this may have been the original contract later signed by William Campbell after he got the contract and not the April 1967 contract as previousl postulated}, whereby the Beatles promised to deliver 70 recordings in the next five years, and a guarenteed flow of albums until 1976 - either collectively or individually {It is intriguing to note that the possibility of the Beatles splitting up was already built into the deal}.
It was Brian Epsteins's brother Clive Epstein who guided the formation of a company that would save the Beatles from having to pay income tax. Instead of being four individuals sharing their income in The Beatles Ltd, they would become employees of a new corporation, The Beatles & Co. They would each own a 5 percent share in the firm, the remaining 80 percent being held by The Beatles Ltd - later renamed Apple Music Ltd in 1967, and Apple Corps Ltd in January 1968. Their earnings would now be subject to lower corporation tax rather then the higher income tax also allowing them to claim back their individual living expenses from the company as CEO's."
Note - At this point in Peter Doggetts book he gives an explanation for one of the Sgt.Pepper PID clues...make of this as you will.
"The first public acknowledgement of the new order {Apple Music Ltd} came with a cryptic reference to Apple on the sleave of Sgt.Pepper. By then {1967}, the Beatles were beginning to realize that their company could become a plaything as well as a tax didge."
IMHO...it refers to both Apple Music Ltd and A Paul Music Ltd in honor to the dead Paul McCartney. With Apple Corps Ltd being a pun on A Paul Corpse Ltd.
It is also my opinion and belief that when The Beatles Ltd was renamed Apple Music Ltd in 1867 that this was the contract signed in April 1967 that may also have had the earlier William Campbell January 1967 contract amended to it which cemented the four Beatles as a partnership and which later in 1971 formed the basis of Faul's lawsuit against the other three Beatles to dissolve it in order to free Faul from his commitments as agreed to in January 1967 when he took over as leader of the band and as JPM's replacement.
I had previously also assumed that the splitting of the frozen funds in 1975 would be subject to income tax...it wouldn't be since The Beatles albums,movies and solo releases from 1971 - 1975 would all be subject only to corporate tax before the splitting of the funds was determined and handed out to each individual Beatle...guareenteeing them each even more money since it was all done under The Apple Corps Ltd umbrella.
Also of note;
"The National Archives in Kew,London allow public access to the complete transcript of the spring 1971 court action initiated by Paul McCartney to dissovle the Beatles partnership. Also included in the Archives are several hundred pages of documents relating to the Official Receiver's {James D.Spooner} work as effective boss of Apple Corps Ltd between 1971-1974..."
James D.Spooner was a partner in a London firm of accountants who was put in charge of overseeeing the Beatles frozen funds. It is very curious to note that although his wok inregards to the frozen funds is publicly recorded from 1971-1974 and are a matter of public record...it is strangely silent regarding the disbursel of the frozen funds to each individual Beatle in April of 1975.
Why?
Why is the period of April 1975 so silent in regards to this issue? And why are the Beatles movements and activities during this time frame also so silent?
Is it just more than coincidence that all of this also coincides with Stephens claims concerning his meeting with the group?
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Post by timmyb52 on Dec 10, 2017 21:13:39 GMT -6
Correction -
I seemed to have missed these dates in my research and add them here for consideration;
John gave an interview at The Dakota on April 4th.
April 18th John Lennon played his last live performance at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York.
However, we cannot determine John's whereabouts from April 5-17 and the 19-27th.
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Post by timmyb52 on Dec 18, 2017 22:01:16 GMT -6
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Post by paulwww on Jan 3, 2018 18:57:40 GMT -6
I am new here so please forgive if it has been talked about previously but if Stephen was 7 years old in 1975 then wouldn’t he have been born in 1968? A little late to be Paul’s son if he had passé in 1966?
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Post by Rubber Soul on Jan 3, 2018 20:03:27 GMT -6
I am new here so please forgive if it has been talked about previously but if Stephen was 7 years old in 1975 then wouldn’t he have been born in 1968? A little late to be Paul’s son if he had passé in 1966? he Would Have been 7 Turning 8 That July, In March of 1975. Please try to use some common sense |
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Post by CK on Jan 8, 2018 5:06:01 GMT -6
Hello. I can't seem to get my password stuff to work.
1) Since birth average gestational period is 280 days from last period, which is just over 9.5 months from last period, and conception sex can occur before even that without stopping a period entirely, and induced birth wasn't done generally back in 1967, and 280 is only an average, Stephen's conception right before Paul died in September 12-13 1966 is completely possible. (Stephen himself is stuck on the late rumour November 9, 1966 date, however, just FYI.)
2) Irene told Stephen in confidence about his biological father right after his sixth birthday, in summer 1974, and the interchange about the death was sometime after. Stephen had been listening to clues stuff, yelled out in "PID certainty" as we might, too, "He's dead!", and George Dickinson, his adoptive father ran into the room asking, "Who's dead, son?" To which Stephen replied, "Paul McCartney!" Irene did not say anything while George was around, but later took Stephen aside and told him that, yes, Paul had died.
3) I think the early-mid 1975 Beatles visit wasn't for Stephen and they weren't together in England for visiting Irene, of course. And yes, I think a bunch of long-haired men with an older woman wouldn't immediately draw attention. Nor would the attack from the mother of Faul. She grabbed him around the throat and he could feel the seriousness of it, but it would have been seconds long only.
4) Stephen is now going on about Nancy de Herrera as Faul's mother, though this is very unlikely. Earlier, he talked about the woman he met as an old, sour Scot woman, very much out of style and not so well kept. The connection of Bungalow Bill song with Nancy and her son in India doesn't have to be blood connection; the son of de Herrera (not really a Bill in real life) deferred to his Mom in the song, and killed (was a mean thing) /was egotistical in the song. Those are enough to cause a connection with the replacement of Paul.
Good luck on your discussion. Best regards,
Clare Kuehn
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Post by CK on Jan 8, 2018 5:48:08 GMT -6
Correction - I seemed to have missed these dates in my research and add them here for consideration; John gave an interview at The Dakota on April 4th. April 18th John Lennon played his last live performance at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York. However, we cannot determine John's whereabouts from April 5-17 and the 19-27th. It is also my understanding that Faul returned to the UK on April 4, 1975, photographed at the airport. And the 19-27 is probably too late for Irene's visit from the Beatles, which Stephen interrupted. 5-17 is perfect. I should mention: I knew everything you put here on this thread, but your observations that John might well have had to be present for certain important signings, and that fears over the egos of the others trying to get more than their share are important. And ... Of course you're showing circumstances which allow for and human nature effects which argue for the convergence of the Beatles in the UK at the time. Don't worry about saying you're not directly proving a visit. That's obvious. For the safety of archive collections and people, please don't try to. If it could be done. Really, PID is not going to be believed no matter how much we amass to support it, without official announcement. But we don't need to discuss everything in public. |
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Post by timmyb52 on Jan 8, 2018 23:27:23 GMT -6
Thanks CK for the comments and your insightful thoughts on this subject...along with all of your in depth research.
From what I understand it seems Faul did return to the UK at that time and we are told he was going deep into rehearsals with Wings for upcoming concerts that would start off the Wings Over The World Tour.
It is obvious that any other new data or information regarding this subject is going to be very hard to come by...at least until Faul dies IMHO. There is just too much money still being made from all of this to endanger it being known that JPM was replaced...hell, just look at how much money Faul by himself still generates with his solo albums and non-stop touring...not to mention the huge sales in Beatles merchandise and old albums.
Your right...PID will never be believed without an official announcement no matter how much evidence individual researchers produce...their is just too much money to be lost for the UK and US governments to allow it to happen at this time.
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Post by timmyb52 on Jan 9, 2018 0:01:37 GMT -6
Correction - I seemed to have missed these dates in my research and add them here for consideration; John gave an interview at The Dakota on April 4th. April 18th John Lennon played his last live performance at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York. However, we cannot determine John's whereabouts from April 5-17 and the 19-27th. It is also my understanding that Faul returned to the UK on April 4, 1975, photographed at the airport. And the 19-27 is probably too late for Irene's visit from the Beatles, which Stephen interrupted. 5-17 is perfect. I should mention: I knew everything you put here on this thread, but your observations that John might well have had to be present for certain important signings, and that fears over the egos of the others trying to get more than their share are important. And ... Of course you're showing circumstances which allow for and human nature effects which argue for the convergence of the Beatles in the UK at the time. Don't worry about saying you're not directly proving a visit. That's obvious. For the safety of archive collections and people, please don't try to. If it could be done. Really, PID is not going to be believed no matter how much we amass to support it, without official announcement. But we don't need to discuss everything in public. I also agree that the 5th - the 17th is perfect and more likely than the late 19th - 27th date. |
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Post by Stephen on Nov 11, 2019 11:50:01 GMT -6
I stand by every word i said in the interview and testimony. The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I realize this of course. I had to tell what happened and i thought people might find his mother Lillian physically attacking me to be unbelievable, also John's words, just because they sound like a cliche should i alter the truth. I would be just another source of lies in a world full of them. As for motive, you have to know the context.
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Post by blackbird on Apr 2, 2020 16:41:27 GMT -6
I stand by every word i said in the interview and testimony. The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I realize this of course. I had to tell what happened and i thought people might find his mother Lillian physically attacking me to be unbelievable, also John's words, just because they sound like a cliche should i alter the truth. I would be just another source of lies in a world full of them. As for motive, you have to know the context. Thank you for commenting, Stephen. Anything you can offer will be greatly appreciated here. Blackbird |
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Post by Winston on Jul 2, 2023 12:48:00 GMT -6
I am new here so please forgive if it has been talked about previously but if Stephen was 7 years old in 1975 then wouldn’t he have been born in 1968? A little late to be Paul’s son if he had passé in 1966? Good point |
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Post by Rubber Soul on Jan 15, 2024 17:45:52 GMT -6
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